Me Thinks

Wednesday, August 01, 2007

Hindi - Indian

When I was in school I used to think being a North Indian is cool. I used to think North Indians were very "forward" thinking. My N.Indian friends' moms wore salwars and had lipstick on most of the time. That was my idea of being "forward" at that age. When I saw my neighbour aunty cover her head with her "ghoonghat" everytime she went past her mother-in-law, I thought they were not as cool as I had assumed. But the girls from N.Indian families never had bindi/pottu and sang "Ek do teen" songs, which was way too cool. My impression of them wavered between cool and uncool. And yes, eventually I realized that the enthusiasm for dressing up isn't in anyway related to "progressiveness".

The cousins or friends visiting from N.India too acted like North Indians. They sang hindi songs, girls never donned pottu, used "accha" frequently (I am thinking of Sowcar Janaki from Iru kodugal now) and definitely seemed cool. Being able to talk in hindi gave them some sort of a superiority complex I guess. And whenever I could, I tried to prove that my spoken hindi was good. So I am one up - I thought. Chaste Chennai tamil and good "shuddh" hindi. But heart of hearts, over the years, I have developed intolerance for one group of people - non-hindi speaking ones settled in North India, who assume knowing hindi is as important as knowing the letters of the alphabet. Run for life if you come across such characters. Its easy to identify them in a group.

- They keep saying, even if its out of context, that their tamil or telugu is not that good. They have a proud smile if you point it out to them.
- Even though they had lived in some South Indian city for a few years, they disown it with a vengeance.
- They talk proudly about how all their friends are hindi-speaking ones. They claim they listen only to hindi songs and talk only in hindi at home (so unlike N.Indians settled in the south. They dont disown their mother-tongue definitely.)

No matter how much of a hindi-peter they pretend to be, they will always be classified as "Madrasis" by their peers.

Disclaimer - A rule can be prroved only if there are exceptions. And I've seen enough exceptions. Some of them are my close friends too. But people, you know I dont include you in that group, dont you?

39 Comments:

Blogger I said...

Tell me about it. North Indians are pricks. They are also wusses. .

In retaliation, true Thamizhs should:
-recognize only the worldly language of English and the classical language of Thamizh.
-should not be friends with North Indians.
-never land in Delhi/Bombay where custom agents will insist on talking in Indhi when they know you don't speak Indhi.
-not be roomies with anyone North of Thiruvalur.
-think Dil Chahtha Hai is the most overrated movie in the history of mankind.
-unlearn all the Indhi that was imposed by parents at an young age.
-hate Shah Rukh Khan and Amitabh Bachan passionately.
-pray for Thamizhan Muralitharan to dismiss Marathi Tendulkar, Thaneer thara dhrogi Dravid for nought.
-point out to North Indians as often as possible that Indhi is a Moslem contamination.

5:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

deeps,
I guess the trend has changed to quiet an extent now. Earlier on, tamilians in any other part of India, had no exposure to tamil. But now the media is so cool, that they r better off. Hindi never had that problem coz u had enough programmes in hindi - rangoli, chitramala, chitrhaar, 1234, rajini etc etc...talk to any tamilian hailing from kerala. they wud have a heavy mallu accent. At the end of the day, its our national language and we should know it!!
Lav

6:46 PM  
Anonymous Bubby said...

Ahaaaaaaaaa Teeebaaaa.. ulla pongindu irukkara singatha ezhupittiyeee

Peacock is our national bird, should we have peacock as our pet? enna logic Lav idhu? You can survive in any part of India knowing only your mother tongue and konjam englipees, if required. I am one living example. I did NOT learn Hindi , did not study Hindi in school...but survived/ surviving in not-really-hardcore hindi land

Theeba... I am knowing eggjactly what you are talking.. and I so... so.. soooo identify with such characters..

It is not just the "wonly Hindi" talking Tams that irritate me. It is alo these Tam-Brahms characters from Matunga-Chembur-Dombivali (please google )and other predominantly Southie lands who float around talking "jaldi poganum" , "baarish varaporadu" "bandh[close] pannu" kinda saiva-asaiva mixes.. arrgggh.. I want to do one 'goundamani "adeeeiiii" on senthil in karagattakaran vazhapazha scene' whenever I see them, hear them.

And yes, indeed.. tell me about it. It is fashionable to say "I dont know tameeeel" .The tam parents in N.india/ w.india raise their kids and encourage them NOT to talk in tamizh..Believe me, I have seen it.. And they are ashamed to speak in tamizh.. One can see that in them. They love to say "Konjam konjam tameel teryu" [No 'm' note that] It is very sad, Deepz

TAMIZH INI MELLA SAAGUM- Thanks to these brahaspathis

Mr.I = Yes, anda vella daadi-karuppu mudi nadigan irukkane.. avana avanoda wig aalaye adikkanum

Ps: Nanum tam-brahm daan.. so adikka varadeel anna!

9:01 PM  
Blogger Vee Cee said...

'chaste tamil' kaelvi pattirukkaen, 'chennai tamil' kaelvi pattirukkaen. adhennadhu 'chaste chennai tamil'???

9:03 PM  
Blogger Karthik Sriram said...

Well said!

I hate even the native hindi speakers who rant about it being national language. And they make sweeping generalisations - Tamilians like dark heroes/heroines (or) Tamilains like plump heroines (or) Tamil is poorer compared to sanskrit (the joke of the year) and other such nonsense.

In legal parlance, they say everybody is innocent until proven guilty. I consider all people coming from north of madras to be anti tamil until proven otherwise.

LKS

9:34 PM  
Blogger Oracle said...

This post sound so DKish (Dravida Kazhagam...nothing else) :)

10:07 PM  
Blogger Oracle said...

Ok previous comment should read
sounds Dkish.

Dont say that madrasis who have stayed in Bombay are poor in written English! :P

10:09 PM  
Blogger The Visitor said...

Deepa - be prepared for battle. LOL
A reference guide for you (in case you've not seen it already):
Guide to flaming and
Flame Warriors.

Enjoy!

12:17 AM  
Blogger Jay said...

If it's Hindispeaking, supposedly Tamil varatha Tamils for you, then it's Englishspeaking supposedly Tamil varatha Tamils for me.

Yetho personality ya iruntha paruvayille, yetho arrogantnu excuse pannirallam, anaa....:-)

2:44 AM  
Blogger Blogeswari said...

I would like to add a Mokkai to this entire debate
Tamil guy to Sardar: Tamil terima?
Sardar: Hindi tera baap!!

Ippadikku

Shukhriya, Kabhi khushi kabhi gham, Mohabbat Ishq Nahin Hota

3:43 AM  
Blogger Premalatha said...

ippoollaam madraslaye tameel theriyarathilla. my sis-in-law cannot read/write tameel. She is very proud of that fact!
innum niraya peru tameel padikka theriyaathunnu proud ippoollaam.

I learnt hindi from subjiwalah. so i speak bajari hindi. some songs I like in hindi than in tamil, if the lyricist is Gulzar.

and all those hindi-indian insisting on speaking in tamil/telugu when they are in N.India. I have seen that too. some also do the following: it is like adding achha when they speak in tamil, they add ayyo, athu, ithu, some tamil/telugu word in proper hindi sentences only to irritate hindiwalah. :-)

9:20 AM  
Blogger Chakra said...

> hindi-peter

there is a word for it.. Badshah.
female hindi-peters are called begum.

10:20 AM  
Anonymous The Pilgrim said...

Interesting post!

Me from Bombay and when we see N.Indians, we are like ..."Show Offs" and this includes everything what you write about them.

12:16 PM  
Blogger Deepa said...

I, I am a true Thamizhacchi but dont agree with you coz I am not against N.Indians. I am only against petering-tamilians. And hail Tendulakar, the great!!
Lav, whether we learn it or not is besides the point. Disowning one's mother-tongue is not a good thing.
Bubby, nee pongi ezuva nu teriyum.:-)
vee cee, inna ba namma chennai tamil chaste nu teriyadha?
LKS, I maari aayidadha pa nee.
Oracle, pun purila. Are you referring to my initials? But the word you coined sounds gross.
SK, I am not ready for battles. Thanks as usual for the links.
Jay, I hear you, hear you.
LOL @ Blogeswari.
Premalatha, welcome here. Looks like everybody has a soga kadhai of their own.;-)
Chakra, I am an unadulterated kamal fan. So I wont use badshah.;-)
Pilgrim, As I said, I am not against N.Indians and dont think they are show-offs. But I guess to each his own. Maybe you've had some bad expeience. Do share with us. Would be an interesting post Iam sure.:-)

3:10 PM  
Blogger Priya and Kumar said...

Well, am 100 % Mumbaiite but can read and speak Tamil very well. I can speak Palghat accent and Madras accent to some extent having lived in Madras for some time.

Well, I will not blame any of our generation for not learning Tamil. Its the parents who have not taken any effort to teach their child their mother tongue, on the other hand they have taken efforts to ensure the children dont pick up the language by intentionally not speaking to them in Tamil.

Having stayed in Chennai for 4 yrs, one thing am sure is that Chennai tamil is not Tamil, its a telugu mixed language. Hearing them from auto wallas,bhaji walas you dont feel like speaking the language. Ofcourse the same thing holds good when you hear marathi from ghatis or hindi from bhaiyyas.
Lastly, one thing, would like to say that north indians are more fanatical, orthodox as Tamilians. We need not go by our Hindi films.

11:23 AM  
Blogger Harish said...

I thought this was the case with people from Karnataka only. But is it true with people of other South Indian states too?!

7:41 AM  
Blogger A Little Light said...

Hi,1st time here.. north indians feel proud of their lang...i doubt if its the same with some tamizhans?

3:06 PM  
Blogger I said...

harish: kannadigas are water-denying, thamizh hating, mob crowd who follow the flawed philosophy of dvaitha. if you are North indian, you are just as bad.

12:55 AM  
Anonymous SK said...

Hi Deepa,
First time here. I concur with a lot that is said in this post.
Also whats with Northies thinking Southies cant speak proper Hindi?

11:00 AM  
Blogger Me said...

deepa ...adhu dhan punch dialog vitturuken la...so appo appo varuven

2:44 PM  
Anonymous Pr said...

Well said (Well written, rather)...Look at it this way..They have to survive with the N.Indians for 90% of the year (besides the time when they visit S.India for vacation)...They want the N.Indians to welcome them and do all things to avoid being branded as "Madrasis" (which ,however, is inevitable-as you correctly pointed out). They, like the ABCDs, are caught between two communities/cultures/regions and even countries in some case...Though we may get annoyed by them easily , sometimes you feel bad for them if u empathize..Thats my take on this, though I have got annoyed by such incidents more often than not :)

5:32 PM  
Blogger Ajay said...

//But the girls from N.Indian families never had bindi/pottu and sang "Ek do teen" songs, which was way too cool//..LOL!!

6:25 PM  
Blogger iamyuva said...

;L) totally true.

often times chennai/hyderabad is criticized for speaking tamil/telugu language during work.. but same happens (hindi)in mumbai/delhi then other are criticized for not knowing "national" language...

but anyways, whatz in language/places.. its all about people we meet. home is where we grow school days, will stay green forever. dont u think?

8:35 AM  
Blogger The Visitor said...

@lifesaver - thanks for the comment. :)

12:59 AM  
Blogger Me too said...

(Most)Tamilians and language are always at extremes - either they pretend to hate it or pretend to love it!!

2:43 PM  
Blogger APAM NAPAT said...

harey yeh sab baath chodo yaar.

9:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://vetri-vel.blogspot.com/2006/12/india-does-not-have-national-language.html

Part XVII of the constitution:
This part 17, defines an OFFICIAL language, NOT a national language.
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17.html

Article 345: This gives the State govt., power to decide its own "OFFICIAL LANGUAGE"
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17345.html

Article 343: This defines Hindi in devangari script and English to be the "OFFICIAL LANGUAGES" of union govt.
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17343.html


DIFFERENCE between National and Official Language:

NATIONAL LANGUAGE: Defines the people of the nation, culture, history.

OFFICIAL LANGUAGE: A language that is used for official communication

While a National language by default can become the Official language, an Official language has to be APPROVED legally to become the National language.

All languages spoken in India, starting from the most populous to the least are our national languages, because all of them define the people of this nation, culture and their history collectively.

India has NO LEGALLY DEFINED NATIONAL LANGUAGES ONLY 23 OFFICIAL languages as per the constitution.

11:56 PM  
Blogger Deepa said...

Priya and Kumar, welcome to this space. I think people like you who can read/write tamil are the exceptions I had mentioned.Harish, they ar ella the same.
True Little light, have to agree with you.
pr and sk, thank you for agreeing.:-)
Me, Rajini nenappa manasula?;-)
Yuva, haven't seen you in a while.
MT, correct, namma extremes dhan.
Rajesh, I has black-listed you now.;-)
Anon, thats a lot of useful info. Thanks.

10:15 AM  
Blogger The Visitor said...

We are extremes

1:08 PM  
Blogger The Visitor said...

Lordlabakdoss

1:09 PM  
Blogger Jillu Madrasi said...

so I like this girl for speaking up/sounding off:

http://jillumadras.blogspot.com/2007/08/appadi-podu-pavithra.html

8:22 PM  
Blogger Nirvana said...

Hey
come on ... Its not all that complicated ...
In Hindustan u need to speak hindi..
In chennai u can surely survive and not in INDIA ....thats HINDusatan

8:25 AM  
Blogger Deepa said...

Nirvana, Its not HINDIstan - a place for hindi speaking people. Its Hindustan. I can be mute and deaf and not speak anything at all but still survive. No one has the right to tell me what I should speak. Right?

9:23 AM  
Blogger Known Stranger said...

i also thought that way for long time. with bit and tits of living in north during young days i always thought they are more forward and open minded and it was carried in my thoughts for long time while i moved back to south. When i really got the ability to think and analyse while studying with north, west , east and central indians , my opinion changed a lot as i realised the truth. There was no much difference among them . there were bunch of mean, conservative, orthodex, cheap, selfish fellows. But their culture made me if not others feel inferior. As well as their outward way of living the life is far different to the one i was brought up in south. Nice post. interested to read your thoughts. will keep reading.

5:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dravidian Aryan divide....people in north India are more closer to Pakistan than people in south of vindhayas.

Periyar should have got a separate country for Tamil people....

4:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read Pravin Benjamin's
DA VIJAY CODE: THE EXIT OF THE NEHRUS.
IT IS A BRILLIANT EXPOSITION OF INIDA'S NORTH SOUTH ISSUES.


http://www.amazon.com/Da-Vijay-Code-exit-Nehrus/dp/1419613340/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196382426&sr=1-1

7:32 PM  
Anonymous Rahul said...

Stop being jealous because we native Hindi-speaking North Indians are smarter than you and better-looking than you.

4:22 PM  
Anonymous K. Ramachandran said...

I have lived in North, South, East, and West India. North and East Indians are similar. South and West Indians are also similar. I feel the plus and minus points of North-and-East and South-and-West Indians differ only superficially, and balance out almost exactly. I would prefer to go for picnics/parties with North-or-East Indians, because they arrange for ample food, tea, and water. South Indians are very tough and can go for hours without food, tea , or water, and hence dont make proper food-water-tea arrangements. They look down on you if u feel hungry or thirsty. But as I said b4, other good and bad points even out, and we dont go daily on excursions !!!

8:32 PM  
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