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Wednesday, February 15, 2006

Men Vs Women

I maintain a 10 feet distance from the group where people argue whether men are better than women or the other way around. Men are good at doing certain jobs and women have their specialities as well. For example, when we say "machanic", we picture a man and when we say "receptionist", we picture a woman. But some men (fondly called MCPs) insist women can't do a lot of things that men do. And some women react to that by proving they can match men in every action. When you are at two extremes, its impossible to appreciate the good things that can be attributed to the other gender. Pause for a second and think of any "liberated" woman or a "progressive" woman that you know. In most cases there would be a man supporting her in the form of a father, brother, a husband or even a friend.

Its true that women were looked down at or discriminated against but if we are where we are right now, men do play a small part in that. For every 10 MCPs I've met, I've known at least 1 man who appreciates the qualtities in a woman. But its very difficult to give credit to men who trash women. They pick on something and say women just can't do that and conclude men are better. Some men don't get it. Their favourite argument is "If women are as smart as men, how come the number of girls in places like IIT is so less compared to guys?" Like science and Math are the only parameters to measure a person's smartness! Even if we agree that there are more smart men than women, the quality of smartness among women is better than that in men. To quote one of my friends, a smart woman is smarter than a smart man even though the number of smart men is more. By extrapolating it, the smartest person in this world is a woman. But its difficult to find too many takers for this.

39 Comments:

Blogger NaiKutti said...

i totally agree that there are some things women are better at and some things men are better at... and when a women or men reacts or challenges this statement that they can do this or that, there is never a concclusion...

here is an interesting article on men and women... may not be totally related to ur post but is an interesting read... here it is.... and the article says that men and women are born different and they remain so!... and then the article diverges to discussing number of women in science jobs...

9:40 PM  
Blogger டி ராஜ்/ DRaj said...

I agree with the article but for the extrapolation part. To be fair enuff, one should only conclude that anyone, regardless of their gender, could excel in anything provided they have the potential, passion and the drive.
Extrapolations are perceptions of individuals and it is bound to differ.

11:02 PM  
Blogger thennavan said...

That was one smart statement :-)

12:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone said : "Just because women have some features common in their bodies, it does not mean that all women are same".

And so are men.

7:51 AM  
Anonymous Deepa said...

And to quote John Gray(not that I agree with everything he says), but he does have a point - if people understood that women are indeed from Venus and men from Mars, things around would be much smoother:). And as you say to appreciate the qualities attributed to the other gender, they must first "respect and accept the differences".

9:37 AM  
Blogger Deepa said...

Karthik, I checked that article. Thanks for the link.
draj, regarding the extrapolation part, when I look at women like Idra Gandhi, Jayalalithaa et al, I tend to agree. What say you?
Thank you Mukundaan!:-)
Anon, I agree with you. Most men are nice, not all of them are jerks.;-)
My namesake, you are so right (as expected);-)

10:22 AM  
Blogger Hawkeye said...

women are way superior to men in terms of beauty. Among the 1 zillion people i have ogled at.. 100% of them were women. i would never ogle at men.

this is not even a comptition. women win hands down

:-) :-) :-) :-)

p.s: i am kinda in a silly mood. so forgive the kadi

11:26 AM  
Blogger Rajesh said...

Women have always been smart.
Eg:- They, for centuries, let the men do the hard work and maintained the home (which is tough in its own right, but not when compared to physical labours that men did outside). Come technological advancements, which made the work place more fun, all of a sudden, the women want to be corporate queens. If that is n't smart, what is?

Anecdote: We had similar arguements during childhood which wer put to an end when a friend of mine asked the girls "I can pee my name on the wall, can you? Now who is more skillful." That friend has now grown up and now he appreciates women a lot better today. Thats all I can say without revealing too much.

Women are better. If anyone disagrees, he is immature.

As draj says, the extrapolation was a little too much and deserves a counter arguement like that in the anecdote.

7:36 PM  
Blogger டி ராஜ்/ DRaj said...

Deepa, I agree that Indira and Jaya are examples of how women could defy odds and be successful. But they had their downfalls too(at least a temporary one). Even if they were more successful than the men of their times, politics isnt the only parameter, just like math and science, to judge which gender is smart.

Perhaps Nature and Nurture have a role to play irrespective of the sex of the individual. I do think that instead of attempting to identify which gender is smarter, we need to develop the attitude to give due credit to any individual who happens to be smart.

9:16 PM  
Blogger The Talkative Man said...

The statement for quality of smartness in women being superior is a nethi adi!

Women in power are accused of letting their emotions rule but i've seen men in power too who makes decisions not all of them rational.

I've worked for competely jackass male-managers who held that post simple coz they were 40+ males. Maybe I carry a bias coz most of my managers were women and they were very receptive to ideas.

11:57 PM  
Blogger Deepa said...

Hawkeye, good that you added the caveat. I was almost going to declare men are the best if that was the criteria.;-)
draj, my intention is not to criticise men. I try not take sides when such arguments happen. What I said was to counter the argument put forth by many men regarding women's intelligence.
TTM, lol...just goes to show that our impression of/on anything is based only on our personal experiences.

8:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comparing men and women is like saying mothers are better parents than fathers or vice versa. Each has one's own traits and identity. Each contributes to the world in one's own way and has duties towards the other. The key is to live life without encroaching upon the other's space and blending the differences to make a balanced society. Insecurity in a person develops into inferiority complex and hence comes the question-'Is my kind better?'
In my opinion, everybody contributes to the world in his/her own sweet & important way, be it a rag-picker, a butcher, a big shot businessman or the head of a country, as long as they give the work at hand their best shot, irrespective of whether they're women or men. So why should the question of who's better arise?

11:57 PM  
Blogger ashok said...

this argument will lead to nowhere...sigh*

2:40 AM  
Anonymous Anon 1 said...

Yes. As ashok said, these arguements will lead to nowhere.

4:52 AM  
Blogger Indian Punk Prince said...

Hey is there a way one could get your mail id so that all correspondence doesnt get out into the public domain...

8:22 AM  
Blogger Ajay said...

sabhash seriyana potti!!

11:07 PM  
Blogger Deepa said...

well, I've stated distintly that I dont take sides and have given credit to men as well. Anyways... glad Ajay is enjoying.;-)
IPP, my email id is lordlabakid@gmail.com

10:55 AM  
Blogger Me said...

enna deepa idhu...siru pilla thanama la irukku....circket, politics,...... adhalam en ....road la kooda oru side edukareenga aana indha vishyathula mattum side edukamateengala...its so unfair...:p

7:37 PM  
Blogger I said...

Indira Gandhi was a bitch. Not at all a good example for promoting feminism.

10:30 PM  
Blogger ashok said...

X-samiyar...wats ur point?

deepa..who is actualy this 'lord labak' ?

2:23 AM  
Blogger I said...

Ashok, what's the point of traffic in Afghanistan? Does everything has to have a point?

Anyway, my point was a Marie Curie, Martha Stewart or Golda Myer give the Man v Woman arguement more validity than an Indira or Jaya (someone invoked their names here)

3:00 AM  
Blogger Deepa said...

Me, side edukkamaye indha nelamai...;-)
SS, I wasn't promoting feminism. Just gave a few examples of how women outsmart(ed) men.
Asok, I dont know who lordlabak is but I like the name. Haven't you heard of Lord Labak Das?

2:52 PM  
Blogger tamw said...

i think its 'laadu' labaku das and not "lord" labaku!!!!

I mite be wrong though!!!

P.S laadu (variant of laddu)

5:00 PM  
Blogger Anusha Parthasarathy said...

Hi Deepa

As you have penned it rightly, Men are good at certain things and Women have their own expertise in certain things. God created Men and Women to compliment each other.

As Rajesh pointed out there are millions or even zillions of men who would use the peeing example to show their superiority...You cannot help facing these MCPs. They are there everywhere. A friend of mine quoted Armstrong landing on the moon to emphasise that Men are great achievers. When I was quick enough to point out Kalpana Chawla, this guy said she was just with the crew for namesake...See how nerds defend everything...

While there are MCPs, there are feminists too :( I hate to say this being a Woman. I have come across feminists who will say horrible things about Men on their faces and all the time talk about how superior Women are.

Rajesh: Gone are the days when Men work hard for bread and butter and Women distributes the same. These days women work competitively too so its absolutely fair that they aspire to be Corporate Queens :p

Are you trying to say that "screwing fellow colleagues's peace and happiness" is a Man's thing? If you agree we have no qualms about it after all the Men would make a FAST beeline for Hell ;) This solves all complications for WOMEN :) :)

5:50 PM  
Blogger Rajesh said...

Anusha,
IT honcos don't think outside their box. You just proved it. I have already agreed that "Women are smarter". They will easily fit in all jobs involving brain and mind - shd I name them individually?. But women physical labour will take two more generations. Women are tender.

But I am astonished by what women go through during pregnancy. So, Women win hands down.

Don't brand me a MC. I am neither that nor am I "gay" to not acknowledge the women superiority that I see everyday at home, at work and in the news. "Hilary 2008" will be the next milestone for women, I guess :-)

So, truce!!?

6:12 PM  
Anonymous Raajk said...

Cha, this is the last place I wanted to have serious arguements.
what happened to "our cool-headed" deepa?

1:37 AM  
Anonymous Hiren said...

Women have more emotional maturity at certain times and are more versatile than men

6:27 PM  
Blogger ashok said...

*X-samiyar...haha,cooldown man! NO,everything need not have a point..but ur statement seemed to have a point.Thats y i asked u to brief more on it.

*Deepa...ya, have been hearing this 'Lord Labak das' from my childhood....just wondering wether u knew how this name came around!

2:39 AM  
Blogger Me too said...

In many cases, the situations made woman/man take the others role(man/woman) and broke the stereotyping. Only in the case of woman, she had more hurdles to cross(and still does!)!

9:13 AM  
Anonymous me said...

ennaga ba idhu yaarumay sanda poda maatetraanga....idhu maadhri post la lam anon comments vandhu dhan sanda start aagum...adhuvum kaanam....deepa pls do something...;)

12:17 PM  
Blogger Rajesh said...

I know that it is not Lord Labak Das. But it is Lord Lubbock Das coined after John Lobbuck (Lord of Avery). Das enna nnu theriyadhu .

3:35 PM  
Blogger Deepa said...

wow Anusha, appreciate the profound-ness in your views but I hope you dont hate men.
Hiren, maybe that true. Maybe thats why people normally prefer women to be younger than men in a couple as the maturity level would be the same even though the guy would be slightly older than the girl. I dont know....
raajk, I'll try to make my next post as less intellectually-stimulating as my previous ones.;-)
Me, you ca change your identity to Naradhar.:-)
Me too, patting ourselves, huh? :-)
Ashok & Rajesh, if you ever discover the rishimoolam of LordLabak let me know.

10:01 PM  
Blogger ashok said...

rajesh...u mean Lord Avebury, the 19th cent British banker& politician ? Did he visit India?

5:34 AM  
Blogger arbit said...

agree completely....the smartest women might be smarter than the smartest man...and yeah the number of girls getting into IITs is less because, women are generally more interested in medicine, arts, journalism or a related field...nice post..

2:15 PM  
Blogger Rajesh said...

Yeah Avebury. There were three of them with the same name.I am not sure if he has visited India. But he was a messed up guy, who portrayed India in poor light especially when the British people wanted to their govt. to withdraw from India after the Sepoy Mutiny (much to the like of today's Iraq scenario). We would have gotten our independence 50 years earlier if guys like him were not present. And Gandhi wouldn't have become the father of our nation. Nehru's family would have been reduced to some state level politics.

2:59 PM  
Blogger ashok said...

tanx rajesh for the info...no wonder his name is used derogatorily to this day…


deepa u hear that?

2:51 AM  
Blogger The Talkative Man said...

Lord Labakk Das phone # is 481 2217 ;)

2:27 AM  
Blogger Venkatesh S said...

I certainly agree to the fact that Men and Women are completely different. But there are lot things common more precisely things that need to be understood. Talking about the physical strength, I don't agree to the point that women aren't designed to have physical strength. Yes, it's true that most men naturally have the ability of exhibiting strength. But my feeling is strength is something that comes from the mind. The body is just an instrument to display the thoughts. Women are known for enduring the most painful experience voluntarily which unfortunately doesn't have a pain killer. If they are mentally prepared to endure such a pain, with a little practise they can display the strength equal if not more than men can.

I have a thought here. Most men are known for their aggressiveness,adamancy and fighting nature. It comes mostly because of the ambience and freedom that they were provided when young. Similarly women are know for their tenderness, caring attitude and love. But mind you, both men and women have got aggressiveness and love but the percentage is suppressed in the way they are brought up.
So a woman who displays love and tenderness all her life is provoked, she comes out with an anger and fierceness that was supressed in her for a long time. It will be a volcano-burst very hard to control. Similarly a man known for his aggressiveness, falls in love with a girl, will show all the love that was deep inside him. Although, I am making a generic statement here, exceptions are inevitable.
and about the age difference in marriage, it is primarily because the hormone growth is fast in girls when compared to guys. This allows them to get ready for re-production earlier. So the sexual drive in a girl is far more than the drive in a guy of the same age. More over, sex starts in eyes(good looking girls) for men and in ears(understanding guy) for girls.
So it requires a matured man to satisfy a girl emotionally and sexually. This is why, our ancestors have designed the atleast 3 year age difference which will provide a strong bond between the couples.

8:06 PM  
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